Tuesday, August 13, 2013

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Desperate for yashka[i]

by Reb Gutman Locks

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(Images changed to protect the innocent)

     X-ians like to study the Bible to find verses that they say prove their man/god was the “messiah” even though he did not fulfill any of the appropriate prophecies. One such x-ian, having seen my video Answers to a Pastor wrote to me, challenging me with verses trying to prove that the Messiah has to be born of a virgin, as they believe their man/god (yashka) was.

(He wrote) “When referring to the birth of the Messiah, Isaiah (7:14) wrote that a 'almah/maiden' would have a child and it would be a sign. Now, how can it be a sign, if she is not a virgin?

(Gutman’s response)

     You are trying to prove that your unfounded beliefs are supported by the (Jewish) Bible, and they are not. I know that no matter what I write you are not going to change your beliefs, so it is almost senseless for me to answer your letter.

Consider this: When Abraham's servant went to find a wife for Isaac, he saw the girl (Rebecca) at a well. He went to her family and told them how he met the young lady, and how he knew that she was the one that G-d had chosen to marry Isaac.

     He told the family that he stood by the well and prayed, "Let it be that the young woman (almah) who comes to draw water..."[ii]

     It is obvious that the word the servant used for “young woman” (almah) could not have meant a physical virgin. For how would he have been able to know that the young lady he saw from a distance was a physical virgin?

     The word that the servant used (almah) is the same word that the prophet Isaiah used when he prophesied about the birth of the Messiah (almah). No one is born from a virgin. Ever since Adam and Eve, everyone has a physical father.

     So why does your “bible” claim that yashka was born of a physical virgin?  Why do the x-ians insist that Isaiah said that the Messiah will be born of a physical virgin?

     Most likely, the authors of your “bible” felt that they had to keep up with the standard of previous deities from their age. There were five other ancient deities before yashka who claimed to be born of a virgin. (See picture above)

     As you see, just like the x-ian deity, most of these other deities were born on December 25, preformed miracles, were dead and resurrected after three days.

     As I said, I doubt that anything I say will change your beliefs, but as you see here, your beliefs are just another one of the many who believed the same things that you do, but they believed it about their deity and not yours.

     You would be better off worshiping only the Creator, and not to worry about the Messiah until he comes. And when he does come you will know it because, “The whole world will be filled with the knowledge of G-d...”[iii] and obviously, this has not happened yet


[i] “yashka” is a substitute label for the x-ian man/god. “The names of others’ god you shall not mention.” Exodus 23:13

[ii] Genesis 24:43

[iii] Referring to the age of the Messiah: Isaiah 11:9

7 comments:

Dodeca said...

go Gutman; go the Truth

Anonymous said...

...Most likely, the authors of your “bible” felt that they had to keep up with the standard of previous deities from their age. There were five other ancient deities before yashka who claimed to be born of a virgin...........
It cuts both ways rabbi -there were quite a few account of creation and the flood that predates Moses by eons.
Did Moses "fabricate" the Torah to keep up with the standard of the time and surroundings ??

Gutman said...

Of course there are other sources telling of the Flood. That only proves that the Torah is telling the truth. The flood happened way before the Torah was written and is recorded in many different places, including in the seashell fossils that are found on mountain tops. How did the seashells get onto the mountain tops? Of course others knew that the world was created. It was no secret. Only the scientists did not know about it until recently. Sounds like you are trying to defend a myth of the virgin birth and such!

Shiloh said...

Gutman, along with the flood story, there are creation stories that are similar to the Torah long before the Torah was written down. Those facts have absoulutly nothing to do with xtian misplaced theology that you accuse the above of and absoulutly nothing to do with the historical Jew. You know it, you absoulutly lie about it which in itself is against your fabricated halachot and most definatly against the written Torah. It's sad how the wicked evil Erev Rav have distorted so much and claim it's the absoulute truth. If people want to follow the teachings of the historical Jesus (not Pauline xtianity), which in all reality would be very similar to Karaite Judaism, so what Gutman, maybe they are right in many cases. Maybe it's your agenda keeping the Erev Rav in control, leading us to further harm and disaster. Is not 2000 years enough already? Xtianity can be taken down with truth of who he was, not continual lies by both sides by the way, that people with the age of the internet can debunk accurately and quickly being misled. People are not so stupid as you make them out to be. Why don't you read works like James Parkes, Robert Eisenman for example. The bigger problem is Judaism will have some fall out if he was right, your greatest fear will stare you in the face. Do a service to humanity and stop leading Jews and non Jews down a path of lies. Chaval Gutman, chaval.

Anonymous said...

Sorry for being a little impolite, as a Briton would kindly remark, but... I'M ONCE AND FOR ALL FED UP WITH THOSE SILLY COMMENTS ON A CERTAIN "HISTORICAL JEW" WHO WENT ASTRAY, DELUSIONALLY CALLED HIMSELF A DIVINITY, DISTORTED AND NEGLECTED THE TORAH AND CAUSED MILLIONS OF JEWS TO GO AFTER HIM AND LOSE THEIR OLAM HA'BAH!!!! COULD YOU PLEASE STOP THIS NONSENSE AND BAN THIS TROLL LE'OLAM VA'ED FROM YOUR HOLY TORAH SITE????? THESE KIND OF FOLLOWERS OF THE J-MAN HAVE ENOUGH OF THEIR OWN SITES WHERE THEY CAN WALLOW IN IDOLATRY AND PRAISE THE MAMZER, BUT IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT THE FACT I MUST SEE THIS XILOH'S BLABBERING AND LECTURING EXACTLY HERE, ON A KOSHER SITE WHICH SHOULD BE AN OASIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERNET DESERT!! PLEASE, PLEASE REB GUTMAN & REB NATI, DO US JEWS A FAVOR AND ERASE THOSE HATEFUL COMMENTS!!! IT'S TESHUVAH TIME!! HELP YOUR FELLOW JEWS AND REMOVE THOSE STUMBLING BLOCKS FOREVER FROM THE SIGHT OF YOUR READERS!! [and please feel free not to publish my comment, if you would just comply with my humble request... browse also through your postings and remove all Xiloh's venom against our Sages...] Thanks for your attention & sorry for bothering your souls with such petty request...
Shalom & be well,
RH - Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Anonymous said...

Message to the one who calls himself "Shiloh": one cannot dance at two weddings at the same time... Every place, group, religion, congregation, club, association - whatever - has its own set of rules and principles, and if one is willing to enter, he must accept such principles. You're trying to build some kind of new religion or sect which comprises the parts *you* (the prophet Shiloh) pick and choose, plus the obnoxious presence of a non-kosher entity which philosophically and theologically doesn't fit into the existing monumental, perfect, holy structure. You're free to do this for yourself and your friends, but *PLEASE* don't use this space to peddle your fake merchandise. You may just create a website of your own and be happy (oh no, if you *do* have one already, you'll try to place a link here - attention, Moderators!!! Stumbling block again!!!). In a nutshell, WE JEWS WANT NOTHING WHATSOEVER WITH YOUR @#$% "HISTORICAL JEW"!!!! Thanks for your attention & go back to your place.

Jason Bright said...

Its also good to point out that the Messiah will come from the lineage of David HaMelekh- only a direct descendant can be of the monarchy. If Yeshka was virgin born then that automatically disqualified him for being a candidate for the Davidic throne and thus he cannot be Messiah. Remember "Messiah" literally means the anointed one- or anointed King. No lineage no kingship. Matriarchal descent does not establish tribal affiliation and is not valid for inheritance so Yeshkas mothers lineage is not applicable. A virgin born man means he is not qualified to be Messiah. Xtians shot themselves in the foot with that one.

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