Tuesday, November 08, 2011

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Heating Up & Prophecy?

by Reb Akiva @ Mystical Paths

Yeranen Yaakov wrote:

Debka: Germany has put its Air Force F-16 and Tornado warplanes in intensive training for a possible attack on targets in Iran, after taking part last week in a joint drill with the Israeli Air Force and other NATO members at the Italian Decimomannu air base on Sardinia.  Iran, for its part, is gearing up for a gloves-off reprisal against its attackers.

We know what the Gemara Megilla 6a-6b says about Rome keeping Germany in check and that when they get together, they destroy the world, like what happened in World War II.  This time, however, it seems that they will be fighting on the side of Am Yisrael - against Yishmael.  However, it is still a possibility that this will lead to "destroying the world" - whatever that exactly means.  May Hashem save us from all Tzarot.

It would seem we have tie-in’s to a number of other famous predictions…

Yalkut Shimoni Remez Yishayahu 499: Rabbi Yitzchak said: In the year that Melech HaMoshiach will be revealed, all the kings (leaders) of the nations will be struggling against each other. The leader of Iran will contest with the leader of Arabia, and the leader of Arabia will go to Aram or Edom (depending on the edition) to get council from them. The leader of Persia will respond and destroy the entire world. All the nations of the world will be trembling and shaking and falling on their faces. They will be seized by pains like labor pains.

The Jewish people will be trembling and quaking and saying: "Where can we go? Where can we go?" And [Hashem] will say to them: My children, do not fear! Everything I did I did only for you! Why are you frightened? Don't be afraid--the time of your redemption has arrived!"

Talmud Yoma 10a - "Rebbi states that Rome is destined to fall at the hands of Persia. Rav states that Persia is destined to fall at the hands of Rome. Question: Can the builders (Persia [Iran], who permitted the rebuilding of the Holy Temple) fall before the destroyers (Rome, who destroyed the Temple)? The sages answer: If the King (Hashem) so decrees."

Yaaros Dvash - Rabbi Yonasan Eibshetz, ztvk"l - "At certain moment the time will come when Moshiach should have already arrived but the redemption has not yet come. The Moshiach will ask how it could be that the time for redemption has arrived and he still undergoes sufferings? The response that he will receive is that he must wait for nine months. Why? In order to wait for the fall of Persia at the hands of Edom, and then the final redemption will come."

Kabbalist Rabbi Daniel Zer, shlita, June 2006 - "...I spoke in the past about Gog Umagog. When the Gulf War broke out, they said that this was Gog Umagog. I told them all: Understand, the Gemara says and the Midrash says and the Zohar says that there is one sign when Gog Umagog is close. Do you know what the sign is?

The Gemara says that the destruction of the Beit Hamikdash started with Paras (Persia, aka Iran), the destruction of the world will begin with Paras. The Zohar and Midrash say that Gog Umagog will begin with Paras. When it was the Gulf War, I told you: as long as Paras (Iran) is not in the middle of it, this is not Gog Umagog."

We’re getting warmer.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

ishmael paras against edom is preparation for gogumagog in zohar . the rav is correct . ishmael is the klipah of chesed edom the klipah of gevurah baruch hashem there antagonists or israel couldnt have survived 1 second in exile . I believe personaly iran is the wild card right now they have emunah pshut in hashem in klipah . The zohar says paras will destroy the world , rome is waking up to this . Remember though its different now for ramchal says quoting the neviim that the wonders of the messiahs is 50 not 49 . We cant understand 50 for its shleimut hashem we dont have mochin or keliim to understand 50 only the yechidah can .

Dov Bar-Leib said...

Methinks that the final episode which may only last 11 minutes with Persia is about three or four years off becuase according to so many of our sources such as Zecharia 14, the final war will be nuclear. And both sides will have nuclear weapons. Given what the Zohar says about a country at the end of the earth going to war with Edom and given what Rav Levi Sa'adia Nachmani said over 15 years ago, the source of large amounts of nuclear material for the Persians will likely be North Korea. If the N. Koreans tried to do it for Syria about five years ago, they will have no problem allying with the Persians to achieve the same goals. And since the Zohar says that this will be a fulfillment of Edom being slaughtered in Batzrah, the Shiites in southern Iraq will be allied with the Persians as well. So much for Obuzzard pulling American troops out of Iraq. We are in the fourth year of a Shmittah cycle. The big war for Mashiach ben David will be in the 7th year, the Sabbatical year. The war in the fourth year, if that is what is about to happen, will bring Mashiach ben Yosef so that we can get our human decency act together. The Western World (Edom) will hate Mashiach ben Yosef for obvious reasons, kind of like how Sarkozy (Hachsharo in Medrash Sefer Eliyahu) and Obuzzard hate Netanyahu now. Hmmm. Yet, Bibi is still a wimp and only a potential but failing candidate to be MBYosef. When he tells the world to go to H___ over evacuations in Givat Assaf and Migron, he might develop. I do not want to curse him by saying that it will never happen though. Just keep quoting the Rebbe and Rebbe Nachman, Bibi, but it is not enough. The fifth year will be marked by rising prosperity emanating to the entire world from Eretz Yisrael and MBYosef and a return to the Torah which must be preceded by a return to human decency in the fourth year. The 6th year will see the return of "Voices" as in the Voice of prophesy and the potential arrival of Eliyahu HaNavi. The 7th year will see the big war between Edom and Persia, and in the 8th year ben David comes. So MB Yosef will rule for at least 3 1/2 years if not longer before he is potentially killed, chas v'Shalom, at the end of the 7th year. Also to explain the dispute in the medrash about whether the Saudis seek council with Edom or Aram, there is only one nation in the world which is 50% white (Lavan HaArami) and 50% red (Edom). And that of course is the United States. So this probably accounts for the dispute in various editions of the Yalkut Shimoni medrash. Everything is open for change in the direction of Rachamim through repentence. But b'itah we have a four or five year process ahead of us since we are only at the beginning of the fourth year.

Anonymous said...

Good predictions Bar leib but the rebbe emphasized constantly in his last days and im a closet believer hes mashiach ben david "this is the last momment of exile and the first of geulah ".

Dov Bar-Leib said...

Anon: If we have no clear indication of who MBYosef is approximately four or five months before he reveals himself, it is a kal v'chomer that we do not know who MBDavid is. So in both cases, we shall see. For instance, if Bibi continues to let Ehud Barak and Dorit Beinisch walk all over him as he wimpers in a corner somewhere, MBYosef may turn out to be someone who has been sitting in an American prison for 26 years. As Mordechai told Esther, if you do not take advantage of the situation in which G-d has placed you, the redemption will come from someplace else. And you Esther will perish and you will be a byword in Jewish history. From here we see that what matters is that the time of Redemption has arrived. The names and identities of the people who play the key roles of redeemers MBY and MBD are dependent on the people who were given that potential themselves. They have free will to decide whether or not they play those roles or not. Whether or not ben David comes from the dead is an open possibility, but it is not necessary that he does or does not.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

I forgot to mention that according to very reliable sources, Rav Kaduri met with the man who is most likely ben David before Rav Kaduri passed away. Secondly, Rav David Abuchadtzeira of Naharia was recently told by a mekubal that the man who is most likely ben David has shown up at his office twice in Naharia and that Rav David did not stand up to greet him. Until this point Rav David Abuchadtzeira had remained seated as an endless stream of people entered his office for advice. Now Rav David Abuchadtzeira stands to greet everyone, just in case ben David shows up a third time. And if anyone has ever gone to the Abir Ya'akov Yeshivah in Naharia to see Reb David, one would know that there are hundreds of people everyday who show up for Eitzot. So Rav David is doing yeoman's work standing up for everyone just in case.

Anonymous said...

There was a poll in a geula blog few years back: Who do you think is likely MBD ?
There were a few names in the optional answers. One answer that stood out was :Someone I would never think of.

Shiloh said...

Dovvvvvv, R Kaduri never said he met him in person, he saw him in a dream. He stated his name was Yehoshua. His personal servant, named Yehoshua, who is a baal tshuva, ex (????) shabak agent added a vav to his name. I met with him, he know's it's not him at all. God DID NOT identify him Dov, can you understand this point? Fishing in an empty pond.

You guys just speculate on and on. Why can't you get it through that God will identify the mashiach in public, to us, we will then annoint him if WE CHOOSE, then it's out of our hands for a time. When it happens Dov, you will know. Or maybe like according to the Rambam, revealed, concealed, revealed again. You may only be privy to the second (now) and third stage. The more predictions you bring, the more like the tractor driver you become. Sad.

Furthermore Dov, unless a current candidate can fulfill Daniel 9:23-27 which is completely impossible, logically then, that back in those day's it was mby, whoever it was. Since the Tanach refers to two machiachs in the same person, would he return as mby or would he return as mbd? To further complicate it how would God then identify him? How would we identify him, like to trick him into identifying himself unawares? Sort of like in the movie the Matrix, the problem is the 'black'ones know and get to him first thus suppressing him, hindering him, threatening him? Keeping his soul in a prison. No, don't get excited just yet, as show me where God identified the most unfortunate Pollard. The problem is He didn't.

The truth is when it offends all parties involved.

Can you answer these questions before you?

Shiloh said...

Here's a parable Dov. You speak of coming from the dead which is spoken of in the Talmud. Let's say it's true or theoretical.

So it goes, hundreds of years ago there was a man who had a certain occupation. It was known only by his family, close friends and of course God, what his real job was. Then along came another fellow who heard of this man but not really knowing his occupation began to tell everyone that the occupation of the person was different. So throughout history now this long dead man has had his story changed and his occupation changed and everyone followed it. Many fought against the lies, but could not reveal the entire truth as it would then collapse their own set of lies. Of course God knew, and it was passed down orally by his family, friends, while the rest of the entire world bought a great lie from a man that never knew him, only heard stories.

So, Dov, if he where to reincarnate, since the resurrection of the dead come much later in the story, he cannot come from that, how could he be identified? Who in all reality could verify the original story? Only the actual person and God, but more importantly witnessed by us, today, then we will be certain.

You said free will, yes, but would it not be better to wait for the Day of haShem for him to be revealed(as per the Tanach) then to error, or have him killed in error due to theologies that are possibly false in order to cover up the wicked erev rav who have been with us from the beginning?

Dov, think outside your box, you will stumble onto the truth.

Honestly Dov, free will has a larger part to play as our history is very problematic. What is to come has already been. Do we want to repeat history, or do we want to correct it for the little guy. I am very fearful we will completely screw it up because of the massive lies we have been fed. We can correct it very easily if we so choose, but we won't, maybe we can't, so we live the lies of the accuser.

Anonymous said...

Dov i dont think its as simple as politics and mby will lead for 3 1/2 years and ben david the end of the shmittah cycle . This has to do with the core of the 2 tress in gan eden and tikkun of abel and kain . Ramchal says there will be rectification of jealousy in this tikkun everyone will know his place the lower not jealous of the higher .

Anonymous said...

Amazing how anyone can say Bibi is failing as MBY, or a certain individual could have been MBY or MBD or Eliyahu e.t.c. Even Bush was touted as Eliyahu until he became Gog! There's also talk of individuals with messianic potentials LOL

A famous Jew once said "Hashem don't play dice with the universe". Definitely Hashem don't play dice with His people. When Hashem is good and ready Eliyahu, MBD will come and all speculations will end.

yaak said...

Akiva, nice post and thanks for the link.

R' Dov Bar Leib, it's known that much of Iran's know-how comes from not only Russia, but also North Korea.

Re: Aram/Edom, it seems that the censors who censored the Yalkut Shimoni replaced "Edom" with "Aram" in many places for obvious reasons.

Anonymous said...

me thinks "Shiloh" is a fake, messianic jew quoting Daniel 9:23-7. That's a favorite evangeical xtians love to quote in favor of the return of their pagan man-god savior. Also explains why he has such a problem with the "pharisees"

שילוה said...

Annon, because xtians or messianics quote the Tanach does not invalidate historical facts. Would you like to say that Daniel is wrong? That's ignorant. I defend the historical Jew from the Erev Rav 'Jews' who slander him because of what the goyim made him into, yes, a pagan man-god lie. If you had courage you would go behind a closed door and speak to, say, a chief rabbi of who this guy really was. I can assure you he's not what the messianics and goyim have made him into. Slandering a kosher Jew is against your own halachot, such hypocrisy.

I have a problem with the rabbi's adding to the Torah which if they are honest will acknowledge. I also contend to follow Moshe. The messianics say to follow the rabbi's based on their highly redacted book which is not what the historical Jew taught only Jews to do. Please study and get your facts straight before you incorrectly slander someone.

I don't hide under quotation marks and annon labels.

Anonymous said...

The fact is that the xtian interpretation of 9:23-7 is quoted to reference it to mean the rapture and the return of their man-god savior demonstrates plenty that that is where you are basing your so called interpretation. To call a xtian interpretation a historical "fact" demonstrates plenty of your personal bias and xtian beliefs. Daniel is not wrong, but I am 100% sure your xtian interpretation of him are wrong. But that's ok, you pretend to be a religious, G-d fearing, Jew, but you have a problem regularly slandering rabbis, yet in a typical, xtian, fashion you purport to declare yourself free of all bias towards innocence and like many messianics pretend to be practicising Judaism when in fact you are most likely a closet xtian...nevermind demonstrating your own hiding under the name "Shiloh".

And don't bother with the "slander" label since anyone who denies the authority of Chazal is 100% a kofer/apikorus per the authority shulchan aruch and other works of Halacha that you so much personally despise, and it is a mitzvah to expose and slander away fakers like yourself.

Shiloh said...

Funny, I quote Tanach, you quote teachings of men. Isaiah 29:13. Why don't you quote xtianity which say's those who deny their schtick are going to hell, how about the muslim agenda, it's all a fabrication of men if you don't follow their derech your this or that. Fear God, not the men, nor their fabricated teachings.

Again, go ask behind closed doors who this Jew was, problem is most cannot handle the truth. The pandora's box is open and cannot be closed now.

Akiva said...

Anonymous 7:32pm - Your statement got my attention, "And don't bother with the "slander" label since anyone who denies the authority of Chazal is 100% a kofer/apikorus per the authority shulchan aruch and other works of Halacha that you so much personally despise..."

I'll bite, where in the Shulchan Aruch does it say that "anyone who denies the authority of Chazal is a kofer/apikorus"?

And with that statement, how do you hold on the Ramban who denied the _positions_ of the Rambam (at great length)? And the Tosfos who denied the _positions_ of Rashi?

Anonymous said...

The question should be, Why is Dov Bar Leib being given forums all over the geula blog world and why are so many of you following along like blind sheep?????

Shiloh said...

Thanks Akiva, Shabbat Shalom, not that I expect it back due to how the religious look upon others who do not hold up to their schtick. For it's much better to offend and act worse then a (certain animal who sticks his feet out claiming his 'kosherness') then to break a halachah invented by men. Wearing black and having the longest tzitzit on the planet is for sure in Gods favor while offending one because they defend Moshe's Torah and the Tanach and disagree with the path that has led us down this long exile according to what Moshe told us.

Just so you, Dov and the others know, our behavior, lack of midot, lack of respect for fellow humans, lack of as Dov puts it human decency, self arrogated pride, playing games with God in business, fake peity, forsaking the Torah of Moshe for the takanot of the rabbi's which contradict the Torah will give every reason for mby to use his free will as Dov suggested and walk away from his potential to help. I think it's a forgone conclusion that this occured years ago already for very good reasons, since we are heading down the hard path. Therefore may the Day of haShem happen speedily in our days. This is the only way to correct our path.

Shiloh said...

Annon at 9:44 because a wise man learns from everyone. Dov, nor anyone knows for sure of what is about to take place.

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