Tuesday, April 05, 2011

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Leaders and the Yetzer Hara

by Reb Akiva @ Mystical Paths

It is always an aspect of kedusha, holiness, that the klipa, the other side, tries to hang on to it and draw off some life force to sustain itself.

In normal times this may mean our holy leaders, our holy organizations and our holy societies may be beset with minor negativities… leaders that might occasionally slip up a little bit, organizations that have a person or two with some inappropriate personal goals, societies with some aspects and people that are just drawn in the wrong direction and cause negative impact on the whole.

In extreme times such as we now seem to be (whether this is the geulah cycle or just a major national and world change cycle), the klipa takes advantage to expand it’s draw (off the kedushah) and it’s impact.

To our great regret we see this in our time.  Holy leaders who trip and fall and get involved in improper things.  False leaders where the good is a façade covering negative activities.  Holy tzaddikim who’s organizations become riddled with people out for money and power.  Holy organizations who’s good is eaten away and hollowed out.  And holy communities and the kahal affected more and more.

The Yetzer is doing all too good of a job weakening us from the inside.  Even our holiest leaders and organizations are met with skepticism and have been tarnished from the actions of others.

Know it’s all a trick of the other side!  The kedusha is under a full frontal assault, and the prize is the strength of the Jewish people.

Because of the Yetzer’s efforts we are forced to be more vigilant.  But we must NOT let the Yetzer win and become cynical about the whole system.  The Yetzer is trying to bring it all down, we have to push back with increased chesed (kindness and good deeds), increased tzedakah (charity and helping our fellow), and Torah (so we can clearly recognize the emes and push things in the right direction).

In this time, with our holy leaders weakened by the attack, we must all stand up and add our push for kedusha.  In this time EVERYONE makes a difference.  And we cannot rely solely on our holy ones.

22 comments:

ratzon said...

what a great post.

thank you.

Devorah said...

That's what I was thinking too Ratzon.

Anonymous said...

Great post //////baba sali in his sefer on his life used to say quote i hear the drumbeats of the mashiach getting closer . when he was in the bathroom hed hurry for hed say quote i dont want to be in an unclean place when mashiach appears . When he was 90 he had a dream with mashiach /mashiach took his hand and took him 100 stories high / i cant tell you what he told me but the geulah is near very near indeed . his rebbitzin asked whats preventing it as you say the yetzer in man and the devil wont let him come but soon hell come to free us all...... from the book baba sali written by his shamash of 3 decades who witnessed hundreds of miracles live of this holiest man a Kadosh in this dor before the messiah . May the memory of this tzaddik who knew the whole sod and his shomer brit and ahavat yisrael was legend .

Shiloh said...

I believe it is written that idolotry will increase as we near the redemption. Since we cannot see the forest for the trees all we see are the fruit it's producing, and yes, in many cases it's rotten. If we would go back to the Torah of Moshe, this would all change, but sadly the 'leaders' teach that if we would just do more mitzvoth that they invent life would be wonderful. Well, when you ignore basic commandments from haShem, why would you expect good results.

We will never wake up, ever! We don't want to listen to anyone speaking of anything that our Nation may be straying on when it comes to the Torah of Moshe. We are commanded by certain Rabbi's of old to kill any prophet who would go against them. Why, why, why would any of us expect a positive change. Its so sad to watch this unfolding the wrong way and there is absoulutly no reason it has to. According to sefer Daniel, the end of day's may be delayed indefinatly. Do you want that? I certainly don't.

Anonymous said...

great post by shiloh !!!!!! best ive read in ages

Shiloh said...

Thanks annon, sadly the great t'shuva rabbi's continually teach Jews not to return to the Torah, though they say they do. When will we correct the calendar for example that everyone knows is off. So the great t'shuva rabbi's teach Jews to continually disregard the Torah for talmudism. It does not take a rocket scientist to read the warnings from Moshe of how corruptly we will become and the net results.
This is 'normative' Judaism. The rabbi's hinder the geulah because in the Torah it is specific that if we follow His way, we will have peace. The problem is we don't in whole. Forget about the secular, look at those who change the Torah and teach other Jews to follow the same.

It's amazing how history repeats itself, but maybe this time the Erev Rav won't make grave errors of judgement. But don't hold your breath. Hope that haShem decides that He must save His Great Name and bring the geulah for Himself. This is our only hope we DO NOT follow the Torah, described by Moshe.

We don't need to make lemonade from the bunch of geulah speculators lemons of MBY and MBD and natural disasters that have been occuring since the creation. We just now have powerful media to expose it, that's the only difference. We have the answer but the 'leaders' refuse to change our ways.

Anonymous said...

Shiloh, I couldn't have said it better myself! For that I'd like your opinion on the following book written by a Jew from Jerusalem. It's in hebrew and I can't understand it, but if you can I'd like you to share your comments on it. I hear that it brings very very interesting information that is imperative for a speedy Geula, may it happen today! Torah of Moshe is what will unite us at the end of the day...

http://leolam.net/Presentation/Book_hbr.pdf

I appreciate your feedback very much!

Reuven Chaim

Shiloh said...

Reuven Chaim, are you a follower of the Nazir who wrote this sefer? It's certainly not for me. So how does he plan to end his vow without a Temple for the offerings. Hmm, may not be in our lifetime at the rate we are going.

Torah of Moshe will, but there will be a slight catch. This we will have to wait for.

Anonymous said...

Shiloh, he is not planning to break the vow - he is Nazir for life (LEULAM) There are 4 types of Nazirut, only 1 of them is for a limited time that requires the presence of our Temple.

When I did research about him and his followers, all kings and prophets were Nazirim leulam. This is the kedusha level I think he is talking about in this book, that we all have to attain our ultimate goal - as it says Nazir's holiness is greater than that of Kohen Gadol.

You're right, we must go deeper and get to our roots and understand our ultimate purpose - we won't get that from people who use Torah as business to profit from it.

I will have to ask someone to translate the book, it's for a specific reason we have this mentioned in Torah - MANY TIMES to be HOLY AS H' IS HOLY, but it makes you wonder - what right do any of these so called rabbis have to reject holiness and tell someone to do atarat nedarim. Nazirut Ulam and Nazirut Leulam - are outside of time and space and have no restrictions and do not require a temple. The sooner we get to the Torah of Moshe, the better it will be for all of us. Everything these days is twisted to benefit one or the other, truth is lie and lie is the truth ---- and that is the truth, sadly.

Shiloh said...

Its actually quite simple to follow the Torah. It's when you let the rabbinical fences in and mistranslations in that makes life so complex.

Don't worry, the one haShem chooses as the Mashiach does not have to make a nazir vow.

So where in the Tanach does it say that all kings and neviim made the nazir vow? The Torah gives certain laws if one made the vow, but there is no requirement. If you want to be holy, then live as the Torah and Tanach say, that's the acid test. You mess up, there is in the Tanach the means to correct it. Why do you need more is my question? Is Gods word insufficient that you need men to advise you, that's idolotry. In these end times, if we are in them, there will be all sorts of nuts out there. If this guy wants to do that, good for him, but don't deceive people along the way. Use the Tanach as your guide, as scripture. Take everything else carefully and before you make a vow, be careful.

It's not complex, so stop making it as such. We are in this mess because we follow another religion that's 'similiar' to that of Moshe, but the erev rav have changed it sufficiently that according to the same Torah they claim to follow states how we will be punished when we don't follow it. Since we are being punished for the last 2000 years now, it's quite logical to see that the system is not of God. If we ever can admit to that, problem solved. But will it happen, na. The religious strangle hold on us is too powerful.

Have a great day.

Anonymous said...

Moshe was a nazir, actually entire generation in desert were nazirim, until the sin of golden calf, when they drank, ate and lusted. This is a very deep topic and if you want to know more, RAMAK talks in great length about it in Ohr Yakar, Reishit Chochma, Shiur Koma, etc.

All main characters of our great nation were nazirim, starting with a vow that Yacov gave, continued to his son Yosef... all the way to neviim and kings. David was a nazir.

How can be in charge a great nation, without first defeating his own animal instincts and taking over his own body. Wine and meat were not on the menu of our holy people. This is all over Tanach.

It's a very sensitive subject to many... there is a reason why no one wants to understand it, because no one wants to give up their materialistic values.

Nazirut is essential, we had them in every generation up to now, otherwise Israel would have been wiped out long ago.

Shavua Tov

Shiloh said...

Annon, you are so far off track it's incredible. Adding to the Torah is asur, so are adding tales. It's complete bull you know what. Don't ever wonder why our nation is in the shape it's in. Go look in the mirror.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what happened, but my post wasn't submitted so here it is again. Let's try to be civil we are all brothers after all we are all hoping and praying for the same Geula. As for adding to the Torah, yes you're right, but no one is adding here, on contrary, removing something is assur as well!

Now back to the topic, let's start at the very beginning. Hashem talks about kedusha quite too often in the Torah, actually it's being repeated not once and not twice and not three times... So there must be a reason why Hashem repeats it that many times and at the same time this commandment is not part of 613 mitzvot.

I'd like your comments to the following and let me know why it was necessary for Hashem to have it stated this many times.

Vaikra 11:44, 19:2, 20:7, 20:26, 22:32

There happens to be different levels of understanding Torat Moshe, some are granted to go deeper and some are not.

As for where it's written that generation of desert were nazirim, it's simple. Devarim 29:5,8

Have an open mind... We were at the lowest of the lows in Mitzraim 49 levels deep, and we made it to the top in 7 short weeks, how? by becoming kadoshim, like H' is kadosh. It's also interesting that we don't cut our hair for these same 7 weeks until Shavuot...

Ball in your court

Shiloh said...

Annon, how many times in the Torah a pasuk is mentioned does not ever mean there are the same number of different meanings. It's complete nonsense. I know the religious believe in this. For example not boiling a kid in it's mother milk is repeated 3 times exactly, word for word in the Torah. We all know this. We all know then the rabbi's took this to the secret level of 3 different prohibitions. Go back to the time the Torah was read to the ancient Israelites. What would the meaning of the text mean, exactly what it say's. Now fast forward to the latest archelogical find, I believe it's in Syria (could be wrong). Anyway, they found an ancient pagan temple that did what, boiled a kid in it's mothers milk to then offer to the fertility gods as a sacrifice. Wow, amazing how smart haShem was telling the Israelites not to perform this pagan ritual. What the hell does it have to do with not eating milk and chicken, or having separate dishes. Not a thing. Zero, can you and the rest of the religious realize its a fabrication of men that we follow. It's another form of idolotry. It's another form of adding to the Torah. We have built a mountain of rules based on an initial mistranslation of the Torah. I for one am not interested in following this incorrect version. It's in my opinion nothing more the wicked Erev Rav continual stranglehold on the Jewish Nation. We escaped physically from the Egyptians, but spiritually are still bound by them.

The 613 is based on gematria which is based off of greek teachings. Glad I am not following greek mythology. Also there are many disagreements of the actual numbers by many sages until it' was codified. Glad haShem was so forthright in disclosing that information, next time he should tell all the sages the same thing so they don't spill the seed in the arguing over it. Nonsense.

11:44 be holy, as I am holy by "not eating things that creeps on the earth"
19:2 be holy, as I am holy. No explaination to how to accomplish it.
20:7 santify yourselves and be you will be holy (Lets take the wisdom of Rashi for a moment. He states that one who refrains from idol worship sanctifies himself. I agree with him here.)
20:26 you shall be holy for Me....I have separated the peoples to be Mine.
22:32 You shall not desecrate My holy Name, ....I am haShem Who sancifies you.
According to the passages you quote where does that infer that you are to be a Nazir. No where.

Shiloh said...

Where in the entire Tanach does it say that there are 'deeper' levels of meanings when the Tanach is quite clear and exact of it's meanings. Again, another form of idolotry. Secondly, let's assume that your are correct in the 'deeper' levels (which Moshe never disclosed, ever by the way), then I can invent other deeper meanings that you are not privy too. These meanings frankly are not privy to anyone who does not wear pe'ot (Yemenite Jews tradition in order to differentiate between Jews and Arabs, nothing more, nothing less, it's a tradition of men with a bunch of 'hidden' meanings behind it. Again blatent nonsense) for example, or whoever does not tuck their pants into their black nylons. Or to anyone who does not wear a stremel of goyim origin. Or a beanie on their head. You cannot build a theology on taking verses out of context.

Your argument of Devarim explaining where the Israelites where took the Nazir vow is again adding to the context of the verse. Because a couple of requirements where fulfilled DOES NOT mean it's a commandment from haShem. If He wanted the children of Israel to all take the Nazir vow, then He would have told us. Not like the verses explaining it as being optional to take it if one so chooses.

Let's go to a commandment that all women fail to fulfill according to Torah of Moshe. Numbers 15:37-41 "HaShem said to Moses, saying "Speak to the Children of Israel and say to them that they shall make tzitzit on their corners of their garments, throughout the generations ....I am haShem your God".
Children of Israel, umm, secret meaning, Everyone. So the rabbi's have 1/2 the population not wearing them, therefore we transgress the Torah. The meaning is crystal clear. Since we are further away from the Torah today, logically the meaning of the time of Moshe was probably accurate. Therefore the logic of the 'deeper' meaning is nonsensical.

Interestingly where does Moshe command us not to cut our hair in the Torah for the 7 weeks? If it was required by haShem, I am sure he would have told us. Would you therefore like to get into the argument of how rabbinical Judaism even does this holiday on the wrong day? Again, leading the Children of Israel to sin.


Follow what you wish, but don't expect fellow Jews to follow such error and teach them as such. Again, get enough lemons, make lemonade. Well, for me, I am not interested in any of it. I have studied it for years and years, I have a very open mind, probably more so then yourself and for sure more then 99% of the ultra orthodox. If I go further in explaining how history has been altered by the rabbi's and goyim and how it has affected the entire world, it will quickly reveal the source of your neshamah. Not for the weak of heart.

Been there, done that, studied it, and my reply is, My G-d, what have we done.

Shabbat Shalom

Anonymous said...

Chachamim of various generations were on different personal levels and understood Torah accordingly, that’s what I meant. I will show text from Moshe Alshich and from RAMAK later, too late now.

But Kedushim and Prushim, mean exactly that – taking a vow of nazirut (Proof of that I can show you later). This wasn’t a requirement, it was a personal choice, but it was a choice that Hashem wants us all to make - become kedushim and closer to Hashem as he is kadosh.

As for Moshe, yes he was on a very unique level as holy prophets that followed after him – after all, Hashem appears only to kedoshim, because only kedoshim could hear Hashem’s voice and live.
What level was that? Level of nazirut. In Maayan Chochma it says – “this is sefer Maayan Chochma, which angel Michael passed to angel Pali and Pali passed it down to Moshe and Moshe opened it to all generations to draw wisdom from it.” Angel Pali is that same angel who revealed to Manoach and his wife about a birth of their son Shimshon nazir. “But angel of H’ asked him why do you ask for my name, and it’s Peli (Pali)” He is angel of nazirim, angel of Torah secrets – nazir is also spelled razin (secrets).

How do we know Moshe was a nazir? We learn it from Torah, in Bamidbar. Moshe Alshich says it on parashat Naso 6 – “On a leader of a generation lies responsibility to become kadosh (nazir) and lead after him entire jewish nation (so that they all become nazirim). If that generation merits, he shouldn’t be soft with words, and if necessary, must speak in harsh tone, how Moshe did before his death. He reproached jews in a harsh form and also spoke softly and friendly. And if not everyone will listen to him, let him not despair, because if not everyone will accept it, convince everyone individually. Even if he finds only one in a town and 2 in a family. And in this his lips will be as lips of Hashem, as it says: and Hashem said to Moshe: daber (say) to jews and ve-amarta (speak) to them. Daber – say firmly, ve-amarta – speak softly, to convince them to give a vow of nazir, as it says: daber (say) to jews and ve-amarta (speak) to them: when a man or woman “yafli” to give a vow of nazir to dedicate him/herself as nazir to Hashem” by Moshe Alshich on Bamidbar, Naso 6.

Hashem intended to create this world where all its dwellers would refrain from attractions to physical pleasures, not only in forbidden but also in permitted stuff from Torah. Accordingly, nazir is that dweller for whom Hashem intended to create this world and therefore placed him above angels as it says in Tikunei Zohar.

May we all merit the understanding and knowledge to gain the kedusha - escape the level of Zeir Anpin (tiferet) and reach the level of Arich Anpin (keter). Level that Hashem desperately wants us to attain for the speedy Geula and coming of our righteous Mashiach who will repair the sin of Adam and raise our neshamot to the highest spiritual levels, amen.

This is the ultimate teshuva!

Shabbat Shalom

Shiloh said...

My first part of the post disappeared, so I will try again.

So, what is being taken away by following the written Torah? What is taken away by following the meaning of the Torah that the Children of Israel would have known and understood at the time it was given?

613 mitvoth are based on the greek teaching of gematria. Also, there where many arguments by the sages as to exactly which commandments are included. Including or excluding is based on opinion based from extra Judaic sources. I see a big problem with that.

Let's look at the passages you quote from vaikra. The first one states to sanctify yourself and you will be holy and not to contaminate yourself through anything that creeps on the earth. Quite simple to understand?
19:2 Speak to the children of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for holy am I, haShem your God. Sooooo, is that complex to understand, no. But by taking a self imposed vow is the only way to be Holy, or to follow the acid test, do your utmost to follow the Torah?
20:7 You shall sanctify yourselves and you will be holy, for I am haShem your God. What's so hard to understand.
20:26 You shall be holy for Me, for I haShem am holy and I have separated you from the peoples to be Mine. The answer is simple, if taken in context, The Torah is what separates us and makes us holy. What's so hard to comprehend?
22:32You shall not desecrate My holy Name, rather I should be sanctified amoung the Children of Israel, I am haShem who sanctifies you. Ok, so where does that infer that we are to take the Nazir vow? Again, it's building a false religion out of taking verses out of context. The xtians do the same thing by the way.

There are many other times that haShem say's to be holy, for He is holy. Does not mean to take the Nazir vow. No, if taken in context of the Torah, it means that living by it, you will sanctify yourselves and be holy. So simple isn't it.

Let's take a commandment of not to boil a kid in it's mothers milk. Let's go back in time to when the Torah was read once every 7 years to the Children of Israel. Why is something said more then once, possibly to reaffirm it as the more one hears the less likely they are to forget. Now, since that commandment was given three times with the language each time being identical in hebrew that would suggest to the ancient Israelites to remember not to do this. So what does it mean, it means exactly what it say's. We don't need to further expand this into something it does not mean. Interestingly enough just recently there was a site north of Israel (I believe in Syria) that archeologists uncovered a site that the pagans did a ritual. The ritual was boiling a kid in it's mothers milk and offering it to a fertility god. Wow, how weird! haShem was so wise to tell the Children of Israel to refrain from a pagan fertility rite. By following the rabbinical fences and mistranslation of the pasuk equates to spilling the seed. What a waste of time worrying about separate dishes, waiting 6 hours etc etc etc. Nothing to do with the original teaching, therefore a foreign religion to that of Moshe.

Shiloh said...

Thank G-d I am not privy to the inside story of the Torah as you suggest. Since simply following the Torah of Moshe is not enough, I can only conclude Moshe hid the secrets from me or only revealled them to certain Children of Israel and not the rest. Don't buy it for a split second. That is not what the Torah say's.

Don't kid yourself for a second. This is all a game of power and control. HaShem said that He will save a remnant. Unless He lied about that too and only those who keep the optional Nazir vow based on secret hidden, deep meanings that Moshe never revealled to the Children of Israel is contrary to the Torah. That's a cult.

If you want to keep it, then do it. You have free will. But don't expect those who don't follow the rabbinical schtick (or the schtick of a cultist) to buy it. There are those Jews who beleive the Tanach is only scripture and the acid test to the commentaries. I am one of those, as I find incredible lies, misquotes, extra judaic teachings, contradictions, and above all hypocrisy from those who believe the rest was given to Moshe at Sinai. Is there wisdom in the writings other then the written Torah, absoulutly, but it must be tested against the Tanach. If it fails, I throw it out.

Shiloh said...

Again, you are taking what this rabbi said and that rabbi said. You include the Zohar, a medieval sefer that too has many problems. I have a copy of that too if you want to drag that into it.

I am so not interested in what religion is teaching if it expounds hidden meanings that the Tanach cannot confirm that only certain teachers have access to. We just got rid of the Tractor Driver who was widely proclaimed a false prophet. As we progress ever so slowly to the geulah you will see more unravel, including our own Jewish cult leaders. And there are many.

In the end I believe, the Mashiach will repair all this nonsense, if the rabbi's don't kill him first in error because in halacha they are instructed by the Rambam to kill any prophet who speaks against them. Comes from a deep hidden meaning too that stems from Moshe bringing in the wicked Erev Rav.

Do as you wish. It's not my derech. Good luck, hope you are right.

Anonymous said...

Shiloh, thanks for your reply. I understand where you are coming from, frankly where we are coming from, as this is also not my derech, not yet anyway, as it's not a derech of 99.9% of Jews in the world. But it's a derech that Hashem wants us to choose ultimately, the sooner the better.

I will mention a few more things and will call it an end to our debate.

"וַיִֻדַֻר יַעֲקֹב נֶדֶר לֵאמֹר אִם - יִהְיֶה אֱלֹהִים עִמָֻדִי וֻ שמָרַנִי בַֻדֶֻרֶךְ הַזֶֻה אֲ שֶר אָנֹכִי הוֹלֵךְ וְנָתַן לִי לֶחֶם לֶאֱכֹל וֻבֶגֶד לִלְבֹֻ ש. וְ שַבְתִֻי בְ שָלוֹם אֶל בֵֻית אָבִי וְהָיָה יְהֹוָה לִי לֵאלֹהִים".

In written Torah it doesn't say explicitly that his vow was nazir's vow, but Bereishit Rabah says it this way: And Yacov gave a vow, saying: if Hashem will be with me, etc. It says in Tehillim: those that my lips pronounced and my mouth said in my distess. Said rabbi Itzchak from Babylon: from this we learn that he gave a vow in time of trouble. Yacov was first to give a vow, therefore anyone giving a vow in time of trouble can lean on him here.

Yacov gave a vow in time of trouble, fleeing his home fearing Eisav's revenge. The fact that Yacov's vow was nazir's vow, is clear from nazirut of his son Yosef.

Yosef was the only nazir amongst his brothers and wasn't nazir from birth, but gave nazir's vow in time of trouble, being a slave on his way down to Egypt. Who did he learn it from? From his father Yacov.

Continuing Midrash: Four gave vows: Two gave vows, but violated them and got drunk, and the other two suffered losses. Yacov gave a vow and lost: died his wife Rachel. Iphtach gave a vow and lost: died his daughter. Entire jewish nation, all jews gave a vow, but violated it and got drunk, as it says: וַיִּדַּר יִשְׂרָאֵל נֶדֶר לַיהוָה. Chana gave a vow but violated it and got drunk, as it says: וַתִּדֹּר נֶדֶר וַתֹּאמַר.

From Midrash we clearly see that vow of Am Israel and vow of Chana, was vow of nazirut. Vow of Iphtach was also of a nazir... I can show that later, but I think it would be pointless to keep proving here. Yacov's vow was also of a nazir - this is the reason why they are all unified in one sentence, in one vow, consequences of which Midrash analyzes.

Anonymous said...

Much more can be said, but I'll leave off with this last thought.

וַיַּשְׁכִּימוּ, מִמָּחֳרָת, וַיַּעֲלוּ עֹלֹת, וַיַּגִּשׁוּ שְׁלָמִים; וַיֵּשֶׁב הָעָם לֶאֱכֹל וְשָׁתוֹ, וַיָּקֻמוּ לְצַחֵק (Shmot 32:6)

Question comes up here. If they wanted to drink and have fun, why did they have a need to bring offerings to Hashem?

Olot were brought to allow to cut hair and shelamim to drink wine and everything that comes from grapes.

They committed this act on their own free will, this was their choice. And so is to return back to kedusha and to the high level that the fell from, they also have to by their own free will. Precisely for this reason Torah suggests, and doesn't force: אִישׁ אוֹ-אִשָּׁה, כִּי יַפְלִא לִנְדֹּר נֶדֶר נָזִיר--לְהַזִּיר, לַיהוָה.

All physical commandments are given to correct jewish souls, but commandment of nazirut is given to raise us from aspect of עור to aspect of אור - to raise us from from level of nefesh to level of ruach from where we fell as a result of this grave sin.

We are a nation of kadosh and we are to serve Hashem in holiness - there is no higher level of holiness than a holiness of nazir as he is kadosh to Hashem all days of his life.

With kedusha history or man started, with kedusha it will end! With Geula, kol am Israel will give a vow of nazir and will become kadoshim, because holiness will come from the side of keter, not from the side of bina as it was before.

After all.... Adam sinned because of the fact he got drunk and brought death to this world - he drank wine, as it's the source of all evil in the world. Noach didn't learn a lesson from Adam and sinned after the mabul...

There is way more to be said, I just wish we all have strength and emuna to go deeper and understand the reasons why Geula is delayed and what we as a "holy" nation should do to escape the klipot of this material world, that's pulling us down so strongly... My thoughts and prayers are for that...

Chag kasher vesameach!

Reuven Chaim

Anonymous said...

this was supposed to be first part of the post, but disappeared...

Shiloh, thanks for your reply. I understand where you are coming from, frankly where we are coming from, as this is also not my derech, not yet anyway, as it's not a derech of 99.9% of Jews in the world. But it's a derech that Hashem wants us to choose ultimately, the sooner the better.

I will mention a few more things and will call it an end to our debate.

"וַיִֻדַֻר יַעֲקֹב נֶדֶר לֵאמֹר אִם - יִהְיֶה אֱלֹהִים עִמָֻדִי וֻ שמָרַנִי בַֻדֶֻרֶךְ הַזֶֻה אֲ שֶר אָנֹכִי הוֹלֵךְ וְנָתַן לִי לֶחֶם לֶאֱכֹל וֻבֶגֶד לִלְבֹֻ ש. וְ שַבְתִֻי בְ שָלוֹם אֶל בֵֻית אָבִי וְהָיָה יְהֹוָה לִי לֵאלֹהִים".

In written Torah it doesn't say explicitly that his vow was nazir's vow, but Bereishit Rabah says it this way: And Yacov gave a vow, saying: if Hashem will be with me, etc. It says in Tehillim: those that my lips pronounced and my mouth said in my distess. Said rabbi Itzchak from Babylon: from this we learn that he gave a vow in time of trouble. Yacov was first to give a vow, therefore anyone giving a vow in time of trouble can lean on him here.

Yacov gave a vow in time of trouble, fleeing his home fearing Eisav's revenge. The fact that Yacov's vow was nazir's vow, is clear from nazirut of his son Yosef.

Yosef was the only nazir amongst his brothers and wasn't nazir from birth, but gave nazir's vow in time of trouble, being a slave on his way down to Egypt. Who did he learn it from? From his father Yacov.

Continuing Midrash: Four gave vows: Two gave vows, but violated them and got drunk, and the other two suffered losses. Yacov gave a vow and lost: died his wife Rachel. Iphtach gave a vow and lost: died his daughter. Entire jewish nation, all jews gave a vow, but violated it and got drunk, as it says: וַיִּדַּר יִשְׂרָאֵל נֶדֶר לַיהוָה. Chana gave a vow but violated it and got drunk, as it says: וַתִּדֹּר נֶדֶר וַתֹּאמַר.

From Midrash we clearly see that vow of Am Israel and vow of Chana, was vow of nazirut. Vow of Iphtach was also of a nazir... I can show that later, but I think it would be pointless to keep proving here. Yacov's vow was also of a nazir - this is the reason why they are all unified in one sentence, in one vow, consequences of which Midrash analyzes.

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