Thursday, January 22, 2009

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Well That Didn't Take Long

by Reb Akiva at Mystical Paths

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas' (news link)

When we read the navi'im (biblical prophets), we often assume the worst. After all, history has not been kind (so to speak). When we read "those who dwell on the borders will wander from town to town...", we assume the worst. When we read that Gog's coalition will march in and surround Jerusalem, escorted by the men of Yehuda, we assume the very worst.

Yet, the Soviet Union fell with a whisper, not with rivers of blood. The wars of Russia-Georgia and Israel-Hamas created devastation ("the Galilee will be devastated"), but again relatively few deaths (by general war standards, compare US-Iraq estimated 100,000 deaths versus Israel-Hamas 1,300 deaths).

A new king has arisen. If Gog marches into Israel diplomatically, with painful expulsions and the stationing of coalition peacekeeping troops, we will cry and lament our averot (sins) that brought such events. Yet, if Gog u'Magog is mostly a diplomatic battle, in the end we will sing Hodu L'Hashem Ki Tov, Ki l'Olam Hasdo, Praise to Hashem for He is Good, for His kindness is everlasting!

(Of course, all Hashem does is for the good. But we would like His presence to be obvious and His goodness to be in a way that we and the whole world can easily see and understand.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Told you so. Heaven protect us all.

Anonymous said...

No one ever claimed Obama would shun Abbas. I agree Abu Mazen's a terrorist, and let's be clear, I'm against the two-state solution as much as anybody, but there's no reason to think McCain would not have contacted Abbas. The US likes to think it rules the world, and it's expected that the president will try to make it seem like he's doing something about "peace in the middle east" by talking to the (pretend) "partner in peace."

If his first foreign phone call had been to Hamas, then you could say I told you so!

Anonymous said...

The significance is that Obama called Abbas FIRST! Before Olmert. Oh well, there's no elephant in the room....everyone go back to sleep. Especially the Erev Rav who voted for this emissary of the Satan.

Anonymous said...

So the 80% of US Jews -- probably more than a third of the world's Jewish people -- who voted for him are Erev Rav? Are the millions of Israeli Jews not voting for religious parties also riff-raff?

It's very important for Jews to judge other Jews favorably, precisely because criticizing other Jews strengthens the Accuser and thus brings about harsh judgments. (I was just reading about this today in a book Akiva recommended on Amazon, the Light and Fire of the Baal Shem Tov.) Perhaps it was for this reason that groundless hatred among Jews caused the destruction of the Temple.

American Jews voted for Obama not because they're evil or unworthy Jews but because they sincerely believed (not unreasonably) he will make US a better place and will be good for Israel, and because they had the courage to do what they thought was right despite all the groundless, foaming-at-the mouth hatred coming from the Obamaphobes. There is even a group called Orthodox Jews for Obama, who are not a bunch of neturei karta types.

Anonymous said...

I have no doubt there were Jews for Hitler too. Ignorance and wishful-thinking don't negate the damage done. In his own words (of his autobiography) Obama states that should the ice ever split between the West and Islam, he would choose Islam (his words..mamash). One does not have to BE evil to enable or promote it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Time will certainly tell:)

Anonymous said...

It is precisly the reason Hashem has took keep giving spiritual morphine to dull your senses. because from there you can see and you harden your hearts to his will only 20% of jews world wide will return at all to the holy land and from that very very few will be alive when the messsiah comes. jewish truth!!! all of you will wake up! god forbid to the sound of raus raus!!! you are bringing it on yourselves, fools!!!

Anonymous said...

6:12 Anon, you're writing as if whether we voted for Obama or not is more important than our mitzvot and emunah and hafatza and so on. Surely the latter are more important for the ultimate redemption.

4:39 Anon, yes, time will tell. :o)But in the meantime could you provide the exact quote, page number, and page of book? This sounds like a false rumor.

Anonymous said...

WE will see the DESOLATION from the 'OBAMA-NATION' prophet Daniel

Koby said...

good post. the more gmilut chasadim tovim (kind deeds) we do, the more we make H's presence 'obvious' in the world.

Anonymous said...

Here is the accurate and more complete quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." From Obama's "Audacity of Hope". sorry...don't have the page number.

BTW, there is no doubt that this man is a Muslim according to sharia law (this is their halacha). Sharia determines Islam is passed through the father. Just as a Jew born to a Jewish woman is always Jewish...ditto for a child fathered by a Muslim. No matter what he says, or anyone wants to believe, this is mamash the truth.

Anonymous said...

Now, hold on a minute. All we know for CERTAIN is that Obama phoned Abbas yesterday.

The only source for the claim that Abbas was "first" was Abbas' own spokesman. Are we to take him at his word?

In contrast, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stated that:

"This morning, the President placed phone calls to four Middle Eastern leaders: President Mubarak of Egypt, Prime Minister Olmert of Israel, King Abdullah of Jordan, and President Abbas of the Palestinian Authority."

Note the order.

Anonymous said...

The man is in office all of what, 48 hours? And what does he tackle? He unshackles the jihad, he closes Gitmo, freeing the worst America haters, jihadis and murderers in the jihad's war on the West. What does he tackle? Eliminating "torture" the most effective tool for extracting information. What's torture - sexual contact with female interrogators, sleep deprivation, waterboarding ........
Obama issued four executive orders in a sweeping repudiation of his predecessor's "war on terror." "There we go," Obama quietly remarked as he signed them.

I ask you, did he take one action to stop the jihad?

Anonymous said...

>he closes Gitmo, freeing the worst America haters, jihadis and murderers in the jihad's war on the West.

He has freed no one. Gitmo prisoners will be transferred to other facilities on the US mainland. Probably SuperMax highest security prisons or military prisons.

>What does he tackle? Eliminating "torture" the most effective tool for extracting information.

Provide evidence for your claim that torture is effective. Consensus among US military and espionage experts for decades has been that torture is not effective in gathering RELIABLE information and is in fact counterproductive.

Anonymous said...

Of course, let's bring the Club Gitmo guys to a prison near you. What a great idea. Once they're on our soil the ACLU can get them off. Are you insane? Evidence that torture works? How old are you? Does your mom know you are not in school today? Have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

seeing or hearing obomber speak is torture.

Anonymous said...

The quote doesn't say what you said it said. It doesn't say if there's some war between the West and Islam, he'd choose Islam. It says that he'll stand up for Muslim-Americans if they're oppressed. There's nothing objectionable about that. You shall not oppress the stranger (see any list of negative commandments -- several cover this theme.)

Anonymous said...

when it say's not to oppress the stranger that applies to one who is living peacefully, and by the noahchide laws and in Israel. all those who do keep the laws of the noahite covenant and try to kill you are to be dealt with humanly and very quickly or pushed out of the land or planted in the land.

Anonymous said...

He was referring to regular Muslim Americans, not to terrorists who are trying to kill us -- his views on the latter (that we should kill them first) are very clear.

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