Wednesday, May 04, 2005

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Thoughts on the Redemption

Yeranen Yaakov has some nice thoughts on the ge'ula...

Mashiah has not come by Pesah (Passover), as was predicted by some that he would. Should we be discouraged?


First of all, it's still Nissan, and there's still a chance that it will happen this month. In fact, Rav Biniyahu Shmueli, even after Pesah (according to, said that the Final Redemption is at the doorway. Also, said earlier that the midway point of the 7-year war will happen on Pesah Sheni of this year (May 23rd, 2005). So there is still a lot to look forward to.

Read the whole thing. Good links included as well.

while Hirhurim takes on the argument between Satmar hassidim and the Zionists...

R. Yoel Teitelbaum, the "Satmar Rav," in his Va-Yoel Moshe, Ma'amar Gimmel Shevu'os, chs. 40-42 (in the Ashkenazi 5760 edition, pp. 51-57), discusses whether there can be Ge'ulah (ultimate redemption) without Teshuvah (communal repentance). He points out that this is debated in Sanhedrin 97b between R. Yehoshua and R. Eliezer, with the former allowing for redemption without repentance and the latter requiring repentance before the final redemption. Generally speaking, we follow R. Yehoshua over R. Eliezer. However, the Rambam (Mishneh Torah, Hilkhos Teshuvah 7:5) seems to follow R. Eliezer:

The Torah has already promised that Israel will repent at the end of her exile and will then be redeemed immediately, as it is written, "And it shall come to pass when all these things have happened...and shall return to the Lord your God...and then the Lord your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the nations, amongst whom the Lord your God has scattered you" (Deut. 30:1-3).

The Satmar Rav explains that the Rambam is not actually taking sides in the debate between R. Eliezer and R. Yehoshua. Those two sages were discussing whether repentance is required before the arrival of Eliyahu and the messiah. However, all agree that repentance is required after the messiah comes but before the final redemption. Redemption is, after all, a process that requires time. First the messiah will come, then there will be wars, and then the redemption will take place. R. Eliezer and R. Yehoshua only debate whether Eliyahu and the messiah will come specifically after widespread repentance or even without such an occurrence.

Read the whole thing here.


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